Eterul, eterul

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(Eugen)


Un subiect considerat desuet si abandonat de vreo suta de ani in Fizica. La ora internetului si a aparitiei zilnice a catorva zeci de teorii e greu de presupus ca userii actuali mai au vreme sa reia o Teorie a Eterului (TE), considerata depasita. Si totusi, unii oameni de stiinta contemporani, atestati prin activitatile lor, reiau mereu ideea eterului (am spicuit pe acest forum dintr-un articol rusesc despre eter, lesajoni, etc.). Alti oameni de stiinta contemporani si din ce in ce mai multi, se multumesc sa conteste Teoria Relativitatii (TR), care a fost principala teorie ce-a detronat TE.
Se cunosc zeci, daca nu sute, de instalatii ce produc mai multa energie decat consuma fara ca "oficialii" fizicii sa le bage in seama. Normal, daca ne gandim ca ele (instalatiile) sunt niste "perpetuume" ce incalca principiul conservarii energiei care sta la baza "stiintelor oficiale".  Fizica bate pasul pe loc de o suta de ani aflandu-se azi in acelasi stadiu de neputinta ca la inceputuri in a explica lucruri banale precum sufletul, emotiile sau ozeneurile. In ciuda imensului material experimental acumulat de un secol nu au aparut "salturi" in Fizica. Putem continua cu o lista nesfarsita de fenomene inexplicabile pentru stiinta de azi.

Impasul acesta major pare sa se datoreze, si aceasta e parerea mea, neincluderii in Fizica "materialista" si a elementelor imateriale, impas ce ar putea fi depasit prin reconsiderarea eterului imaterial in stiinta. De altfel, fizicienii l-au introdus deja sub alte denumiri (branduri) precum vidul, energia, timpul, unda, functia de unda, etc. Reincluderea eterului in Fizica ar putea fi o sansa.

Pentru inceput, inainte de a trece la un (eventual) studiu, trebuie precizata definitia eterului deoarece toti au auzit de eter dar le-ar fi greu sa-l defineasca. Specialistii (de regula persoane supradotate) formati in cele scoli si-au insusit harnici pozitia stiintifica oficiala dar "beneficiaza" in schimb de o anumita "incastrare" mentala a unor notiuni pe care (ei cred) ca le-au inteles bine. Printre ele, si eterul. La o scurta trecere in revista a posibilelor intelesuri si sinonime ale cuvantului eter putem schita domeniul definitiei:
-Suntem de acord ca desemneaza imaterialul.
-Vidul este o "suprapunere" deja semnalata.
-Stuctura fina, mai fina decat cele mai mici particule din cuantica.
-TAO, nemiscat, infinit, nedetectabil din filozofia chineza.
-Puncte in spatiu, fara masa, impuls, etc. - definitia de baza, initiala a eterului.
Lista trebuie continuata, astept completari (si in acelasi timp trebuie sa ma documentez).

In 32 de ani trecuti din 1952 si pana la decesul sau, Dirac nu a mai revenit la pozitia sa din Nature.


Eugen daca tu ai argumente stiintifice personale cu privire la existenta aeterului, de ce nu le publici?

EXPERIMENTUL LUI  DAYTON MILLER
DEZAPROBAREA TEORIEI LUI EINSTEIN
SHANKLAND, PRIETEN CU EINSTEIN, INGROAPA REZULTATELE EXPERIMENTALE ALE LUI DYTON  MILLER

[...problema cu domnul Einstein este ca nu stie nimic despre rezultatele mele. El spune de treizeci de ani ca interferometrul experimentat in Cleveland arata rezultate negative. N-am spus niciodata ca da rezultate negative, si nu au dat de fapt rezultate negative...

(Cleveland Plain Dealer newspaper, 27 Jan. 1926

GOES TO DISPROVE EINSTEIN THEORY
Case Scientist Will Conduct
Further Studies in Ether Drift.
Einstein Discounts Experiments
Speaking before scientists at the University of
Berlin, Einstein said the ether drift experiments
at Cleveland showed zero results, while on Mount
Wilson they showed positive results. Therefore,
altitude influences results. In addition, temperature
differences have provided a source of error.
"The trouble with Prof. Einstein is that he knows
nothing about my results." Dr. Miller said. "He has
been saying for thirty years that the interferometer
experiments in Cleveland showed negative results. We
never said they gave negative results, and they did
not in fact give negative results. He ought to give
me credit for knowing that temperature differences
would affect the results. He wrote to me in November
suggesting this. I am not so simple as to make no
allowance for temperature."
(Cleveland Plain Dealer newspaper, 27 Jan. 1926)[/i]

Sankland, prieten cu Einstein, a ingropat notele lui Dayton Miller cu masuratorile eter-drift:

Robert S. Shankland, former student of Dayton Miller and Chairman of the Physics Department at Case Western Reserve University. Shankland's academic career soared after he organized a post-mortem on Miller's work, pronouncing it worthless, and after Einstein later granted him a series of widely-published interviews. Shankland subsequently became a bureaucrat within the emerging atomic energy infrastructure. Intimate with Einstein, in a 1981 interview Shankland claimed Miller's work on ether-drift had probably cost Einstein the Nobel Prize for relativity theory (Einstein did later get a Nobel Prize, but for his other theoretical work). Just before Miller's death in 1941, he entrusted his extensive data archive on ether-drift experiments performed since the early 1900s to Shankland, to include over 300 data sheets from his extensive Mt. Wilson experiments, plus many experimental notebooks. All of this material vanished under Shankland's care.

Cleveland Plain Dealer newspaper, 27 Jan. 1926

Asta este un ziar(de imensa notorietate stiintifica!), asemanator cu "Libertatea" din zilele noastre. Argumentele prezentate de tine sunt "foarte solide" si mustesc de "stiinta".

Iti doresc succes in punerea in evidenta a aetherului!  

P.S. Nu mai intervin in continuare , deoarece consider o pierdere de timp inutila pentru mine personal.

PROFIL DYTON MILLER



Dayton Miller
Dayton C. Miller

Circa 1921
Born March 13, 1866
Strongsville, Ohio, USA
Died February 22, 1941 (aged 74)
USA
Nationality United States
Fields Physicist
Institutions Case School of Applied Science
Alma mater Princeton University
Doctoral advisor Charles A. Young
Known for X-rays
Aether theory
Absolute space
Acoustics
Notable awards Edward Longstreth Medal (1917)
Newcomb Cleveland Prize (1925)
Elliott Cresson Medal (1927)
Dayton Clarence Miller (March 13, 1866 – February 22, 1941)[1][2][3][4] was an American physicist, astronomer, acoustician, and accomplished amateur flautist. An early experimenter of X-rays, Miller was an advocate of aether theory and absolute space and an opponent of Albert Einstein's theory of relativity.

Born in Ohio to Charles Webster Dewey and Vienna Pomeroy Miller, he graduated from Baldwin University in 1886 and obtained a doctorate in astronomy at Princeton University under Charles A. Young in 1890. Miller spent his entire career teaching physics at the Case School of Applied Science in Cleveland, Ohio, as head of the physics department from 1893 until his retirement in 1936. Following the discovery of X-rays by Wilhelm Röntgen in 1895, Miller used cathode ray tubes built by William Crookes to make some of the first photographic images of concealed objects, including a bullet within a man's limb. Active in many scientific organizations, Miller was a member of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences and the American Philosophical Society. During the 1920s, he served as secretary, vice president, and president of the American Physical Society and as chairman of the division of Physical Sciences of the National Research Council. From 1931 to 1933 he was president of the Acoustical Society of America.

Din pacate, ma simt dator sa intervin si eu cu citare din:

New Series, Vol 62, N° 1596 July, 31 1925

SCIENCE NEWS

Science Service, Washington, D.C.

THE RELATIVITY THEORY AND THE

ETHER DRIFT

THE Einstein theory of relativity must fall or at least require radical modification, if the experiments performed at Mt. Wilson, in California, by Professor Dayton C. Miller, of the Case School of Applied Science, are correct, is the opinion of Professor Albert Einstein himself, expressed in a communication from him to Science Service.

" If Dr. Miller's results should be confirmed," he says, " then the special relativity theory, and with the general theory in its present form, falls. Experiment is the supreme judge. Only the equivalence of inertia and weight remain, which would lead to an essentially different theory. "

The Mt. Wilson experiments were intended to show the motion of the earth through the ether in space by which light and other radiations are supposed to be transmitted. When originally performed by Professor A.A. Michelson, now at the University of Chicago, and when repeated by Professor Miller at Cleveland, no appreciable result was obtained. When Professor Miller repeated it at Mt. Wilson, which is about a mile high, he obtained a marked effect, which seems to vary with the altitude.

According to Dr. Ludwik Silberstein, of the Eastman Kodak Company's Research Laboratory at Rochester, this indicated that the ether was dragged around by the earth at low altitudes, but drifted by at the higher one's. According to Professor A. S. Eddington, of the University of Cambridge, England, such an effect would produce a difference in the position of stars as observed from a sea level and mountain observatories, and no such difference has ever been observed. Dr. Silberstein answered this objection by the statement that the ether undergoes a peculiar kind of deformation, but Professor Einstein does not agree with him. He says :

" I can not share Dr. Silberstein conception in case the experiments are correct. He means that with a treory of a deformible but fixed ether the known phenomena can be explained. This, however, is not so. A theory such as that is absolutely inconsistent with the positively proved astronomical aberrations. No theory exists outside of the theory of relativity and the similar Lorentz theory which, except for the Miller experiment, explains all the known phenomena up to date.

Under these circumstances nothing remains but to await more complete publication of the Miller's results. Then it is to be hoped that a correct decision will develop. "

Vad ca tot se insista pe daramarea teoriei relativitatii...

CREDIBILITATEA LUI DYTON MILLER

Active in many scientific organizations, Miller was a member of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences and the American Philosophical Society. During the 1920s, he served as secretary, vice president, and president of the American Physical Society and as chairman of the division of Physical Sciences of the National Research Council. From 1931 to 1933 he was president of the Acoustical Society of America.

Miller, mai mult a fost cunoscut pentru arta de a canta la flaut...

E importanta credibilitatea, in sensul ca e bine sa fii atent la ce spun oameni seriosi si nu diversi pacalici sau farsori, dar in acelasi timp, trebuie retinut ca oricine poate gresi. Si Einstein a gresit in unele privinte. Asta nu invalideaza rezultatele corecte pe care le-a obtinut, dar reciproc, faptul ca a avut dreptate in anumite privinte nu inseamna ca a avut tot timpul dreptate.

Cine este David Pratt? Cine a auzit de David Pratt?Care este contributia stiintifica a lui David Pratt? Despre toate acestea, inainte de a cita din opera sa, este bine sa ii citam singurul sau site:

Exploring Theosophy

The Synthesis of Science, Religion and Philosophy

David Pratt's Homepage

http://davidpratt.info/

Un enciclopedist new age.

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H.P. Blavatsky and theosophy: 'there is no religion higher than truth'
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Theosophical history

Laura Holloway, theosophy and the mahatmas (Jan 2014)
The Count of Saint-Germain (Sep 2012)
The Theosophical Mahatmas: a critique of Paul Johnson's new myth
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David Bohm and the implicate order
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Lucrari ale lui David Pratt:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_autor_pratt.htm

Avem si noi prezenta importante in teozofie:

http://trezirea-constiintei.blogspot.co.nz/2012/07/teosofie-despre-formarea-universului-d.html

http://www.fundatiacaleavictoriei.ro/2014/introducere-in-cabala/

Dupa cateva cursuri gratuite, sunt convins ca vom incepe sa intelegem adevaratul sens al eterului.

David Pratt despre Paul La Violette si modelul eteric al acestuia

Paul LaViolette has developed a theory known as ‘subquantum kinetics’, which replaces the 19th-century concept of a mechanical, inert ether with that of a continuously transmuting ether.4 Physical subatomic particles and energy quanta are pictured as wavelike or vortex-like concentration patterns in the ether. A particle’s gravitational and electromagnetic fields are said to result from the fluxes of different kinds of etheric particles, or etherons, across their boundaries, and the associated etheron concentration gradients.

Paul La Violette a dezvoltat o teorie cunoscuta ca " subquantic kinetics ", care inlocuieste conceptul vechi din secolul 19 al unui eter mecanic, inert, cu un eter continuu transmutabil. Particulele fizice subatomice si cuantele de energie sunt descrise ca modele de unde sau concentratii  vortexiale in eter.
O particula de camp gravitational sau electromagnetic se afirma ca sunt rezultatul fluxurilor de diferite feluri de particule eterice, sau etheroni, intre granitele lor , si gradientii de concentratii etheronice asociate.


Reprezentari vechi ale atomului. Cele doua sensuri ale vortexurilor eterice cu in-out dau sensurile conventionale pozitiv/ negativ:

Ca principiu, nu vad de ce un neurochirurg si-ar da cu parerea in domeniul ingineriei spatiale. Sigur, e dreptul lui sa o faca, asta nu inseamna insa ca trebuie sa ia cineva prea in serios ce spune, din moment ce pregatirea lui profesionala ii permite sa fie competent in chirurgia pe creier, nu in eficientizarea scuturilor termice ale navelor care reintra in atmosfera. Sper sa se inteleaga ce vreau sa spun.  

eugen a scris:

[i]1. It is essential to distinguish between experimental and observational data on the one hand and the interpretation of those data on the other. Data are often open to more than one interpretation. Any interpretation is based on certain assumptions, which may be unverified or even unverifiable.

E limpede ca nu e nici o ambiguitate in reprezentarea a doua seturi de date masurate experimental, una ca functie de cealalta. Daca ne intrebam de ce anume fenomenul se petrece in acest fel, anume de ce depinde primul set de date de al doilea in felul observat in grafic, sigur ca da, aici intram pe domeniul teoriei, in care trebuie sa ne imaginam modele care sa explice corelatia. Nu e insa deloc greu sa vedem care e modelul corect. De regula, acesta este cel mai simplu model din ale carui axiome rezulta fenomenul observat. De exemplu, daca reprezentam inaltimea unei ghiulele trase dintr-un tun ca functie de distanta, gasim o dependenta parabolica, ori un model foarte simplu care reproduce aceasta observatie este modelul unei forte constante, orientate inspre suprafata terestra, ce actioneaza asupra ghiulelei.

2. A model of reality is not the same as reality itself; a map is not the territory. A model or theory is always a simplification, an approximation; it may have a degree of validity and/or utility without being literally true. Even if the equations associated with a particular theory or model allow accurate calculations of real events, this is no guarantee that any particular physical interpretation of those equations corresponds to mechanisms in the real world.

Ca un model reprezinta intotdeauna o abstractizare simplificata a realitatii este foarte adevarat. Sa spui insa ca nu descrie mecanisme reale este complet fals, asta deoarece conceptele abstracte ale modelelor din fizica sunt intotdeauna in corespondenta directa cu marimi fizice masurabile. Campul electric este un concept abstract in ecuatiile lui Maxwell, dar totodata o marime fizica observabila, ori daca marimea observabila se comporta in felul prezis de model, inseamna ca mecanismele teoretice ale modelului sunt o reprezentare fidela a fenomenului natural.

3. Mathematical abstractions – e.g. zero-dimensional particles, one-dimensional strings, two-dimensional spacetime ribbon-tape, and curved spacetime – are not concrete realities. Such concepts may, or may not, be useful in certain contexts, but they have no concrete existence outside the human imagination; they cannot directly influence the material world and explain nothing. The inability of many scientists to make this distinction is a root cause of many of the absurd theories, or ‘mazes of unrealities’, that are passed off as ‘science’.

Aici tipul greseste destul de mult. Cele mai fine masuratori ale momentului de dipol electric al electronului au returnat un rezultat nul. Asta inseamna ca pana la proba contrarie, electronul este o sarcina electrica punctiforma. Curbarea razelor de lumina in vecinatatea stelelor dovedeste ca spatiu-timpul nu este plat in vecinatatea stelei, ci curbat. A spune ca un concept teoretic nu exista in afara imaginatiei umane inseamna pana la urma a spune ca nu exista marimea fizica asociata respectivului concept, ori ca sa faci asta trebuie sa negi existenta obiectiva a lumii.

4. In an infinite, eternal universe there can be no ultimate explanations of natural phenomena. But if we want to find the direct causes of events, we have to look to real substances, energies, forces, and entities, whether physical or superphysical. A host of phenomena, and even the very existence of physical matter and force, point to the existence of deeper, subtler levels of reality. As far as physics is concerned, this means thinking in terms of an energetic ether.

Nimeni nu poate spune daca Universul este infinit sau etern. La fel, nimeni nu poate spune daca exista sau nu o explicatie ultima a realitatii. Astfel de afirmatii sunt complet hazardate. Substantele, energiile, fortele si entitatile reale sunt cele pe care le masori in laborator. Fizica se ocupa cu studiul acestor elemente ale realitatii, incercand sa inteleaga corelatiile care apar intre ele pe baza unor modele teoretice in care tot ele sunt actorii. Ai un model teoretic al interactiei dintre conceptele abstracte de sarcina si camp electric, dar aceste concepte au fiecare un corespondent direct in realitate, deci consecintele modelului pot fi verificate in mod obiectiv si fara echivoc. Tipul vad ca mentioneaza marimi "suprafizice". Ce sunt aceste marimi? Sunt ele masurabile? Daca da, foarte bine, dar daca nu sunt masurabile, cum sunt ele marimi reale?

eugen a scris:
Ei argumenteaza ca gravitatia este in mod esential o forta electrodinamica, si au gasit dovezi experimentale ale antigravitatiei. Etherometria propune ca rotatia si translatia planetelor, stelelor si galaxiilor sunt rezultatul miscarii vortexiale a eterului la scari multiple.

Uite o intrebare. Daca e sa ne referim la miscarile planetare, observatiile lui Kepler rezulta din acest model al miscarii vortexiale a eterului la scari multiple?

O baza informationala cat mai larga

Omuldinluna,

Eu deocamdata expun, nu interpretez.
Sotii Correa au propus un model.
Doresc o baza informationala cat mai larga pe acest forum. Apoi concluzii.
Daca vrei detalii poti coresponda cu ei , dupa o munca de cautare pe Google, daca vrei coordonatele lor.

Ps: ce noutati ai pe subiectul miscarea in camp central?
Nu ai mai postat de aproape un an !

Stiu ca nu am mai postat de mult acolo, din pacate sunt tot prins cu alte treburi si nu gasesc ragaz pentru discutii de acest gen care necesita mai mult de cateva explicatii simple si linkuri. Trebuie sa remediez asta.

In orice caz, mi-ar placea sa vad ceva concret pe acest topic. Daca s-a postat deja si mi-a scapat atentiei, doar spune-mi ca o sa caut eu. Prin concret ma refer la un fenomen fizic care sa fie tratat printr-o astfel de teorie a eterului. Eu am intrebat de legile lui Kepler, dar poate sa fie orice: un fenomen fizic oarecare, daca se poate unul simplu, ale carui legi sa rezulte dintr-o astfel de teorie eterica. Poate sa fie si refractia luminii, daca iese legea observata, e foarte bine.

Dl Omuldinluna! Si eu am revenit pe forum dupa cateva saptamani, deoarece s-a defectat programul de operare si a durat pana am gasit pe cineva sa-mi instaleze alt program. Vreaua sa spun, in legatura cu afirmatia dumitale, ca am postat aici pe forum un scurt rezumat referitor la -TEORIA MECANOETERICA A GRAVITATIEI- al carei text se poate vedea mai usor pe -astronomy.ro- la foromul de fizica, daca ai cumva cont la ei

MAXWELL, MENDELEEV , TESLA SI ETERUL


MAXWELL
[1] Clerk-Maxwell, J., “On Physical Lines of Force”, Philosophical
Magazine, Volume 21, (1861)
http://vacuum-physics.com/Maxwell/maxwell_oplf.pdf

Fenomenele magneto electrice se datoreaza materiei aflate in diferite conditii de miscare sau presiune in orice parte a campului magnetic, si nu datorita actiunii la distanta intre magneti sau curenti.
Substanta care produce aceste efecte poate fi ceva din materie sau poate fi ETERUL asociat cu materie.
Densitatea ei este mai mare in fier si mai mica in substante diamagnetice.
Dar trebuie in toate cazurile - cu exceptia fierului -sa fie rara, intru cat nici o substanta nu are o asa mare capacitate magnetica ca cea pe care o numim vacuum.

Maxwell,  subliniaza ca fortele nu se transmit abstract, fara suport, ci trebuie sa fie din aproape in aproape prin perturbatii de presiune. Avanseaza conceptul ca ETERUL  in incidenta cu materia ar putea da efectele electromagnetice.

MENDELEEV
http://www.rexresearch.com/ether/mendelev.htm
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Frusphysics.ru%2Farticles%2F128%2F


"...Nici gravitatia, nici oricare din problemele energiei nu pot fi intelese corect, fara o reala conceptie despre eter, ca fiind un mediu universal prin care se realizeaza transmiterea energiei la distanta. Mai mult, o conceptie reala despre eter nu poate fi obtinuta fara recunoasterea naturii chimice a acestuia, ca fiind o substanta elementara, iar in aceste zile nici o substanta elementara cunoscuta nu este inafara legii periodice..."



Poza cu tabelul original al lui Mendeleev, la 1906, in care la grupa zero apare elementul "newton"  ("x") prezis a fi eterul:



existenta celui mai usor si de altfel celui mai rapid element "x", despre care eu consider ca il putem privi ca fiind eterul....
(Mendeleev)



TESLA

(Unknown Manuscript of Nikola Tesla by Mikhail Shapkin
http://fuel-efficient-vehicles.org/energy-news/?page_id=1320)

... I always based as fact the existence of mechanical ether in my works and therefore I could achieve positive success.

What is the ether and why is it so difficult to detect it? I reflected on this matter for a seriously long time and here are the outcomes I have been led to: I think that all the contradictions about whether the ether exists or not are the result of wrong interpretation of ether’s properties. The ether has always been presented as an aeroform environment. That was the essential mistake. The ether has a very strong density. It is known that of more dense a substance, the higher is the speed of wave propagation within it. When comparing acoustic speed in the air and the light speed I have drawn a conclusion that ether density is several thousand times higher than air density. It is not the ether that is aeroform but the material world is an aeroform to the ether! But as the ether is electrically neutral it very poorly interacts with the material world. Notwithstanding that poor interaction we still can feel the ether’s existence.

Intotdeauna am considerat reala existenta eterului mecanic in munca mea, de aceea am obtinut succes.
Ce este eterul si de ce este atat de deficil sa fie detectat? Am reflectatat mult la aceasta problema si aceasta este concluzia la care am ajuns:
Gandesc ca toate contradictiile privind existenta sau inexistenta eterului sunt rezultatul interpretarii gresite a proprietatilor eterului.
Eterul a fost mereu prezentat ca un mediu aeroform.
Aceasta a fost greseala esentiala. Eterul are o foarte mare densitate. Este cunoscut ca in substantele mai dense , viteza de propagare a undelor este mai mare. Comparand viteza sunetului in aer si viteza luminii,  am tras concluzia ca densitatea eterului este de cateva mii de ori mai mare decat densitatea aerului. Nu eterul este aeroform ci lumea materiala este aeroforma fata de eter.
Dar cum eterul este neutru electric , va interactiona foarte slab cu materia.
Cu toate acestea, in ciuda interactiunii slabe, inca putem sa simtim existenta eterului.

Despre principiile Teoriei Eterice Dinamice a Gravitatiei a lui Tesla, in lucrarea lui William Lynne: Propulsia spatiala Tesla...

http://cdn.preterhuman.net/texts/alien.ufo/Lyne%20-%20Occult%20ether%20physics.pdf

Hmm, in varianta asa zisa originala a tabelului pe care am gasit-o eu, acest element de care zici nu apare, tabelul incepand cu hidrogenul.



Care sa fie adevarul?

MENDELEEV IN CAUTAREA ADEVARULUI

omuldinluna a scris:
Care sa fie adevarul?

http://www.rexresearch.com/ether/mendelev.htm

Rezumat din traducerea in engleza a articolului original al lui Mendeleev:


Desi indiferenta sceptica este tentata sa discearna numai " ipotezele care dau rezultate" pentru conceptia eterului, totusi investigatorul cel mai determinat, cautand realitatea adevarului, si nu imaginea unei fantezii, este fortat sa se intrebe care este natura chimica a eterului.


Although skeptical indifference is prone to discern only a ‘working hypothesis’ in the conception of the ether, yet the earnest investigator, seeking the reality of truth, and not the image of fantasy, is forced to ask himself what is the chemical nature of the ether.

Penetrabilitatea eterului:

Moreover, this permeability of ether I all bodies explains why it cannot be isolated from substances, which indeed behave in respect to ether like a sieve to water or air. The capacity of the ether to penetrate all substances may, however, be regarded as the ideal of the diffusion of gases through metals and other diaphragms. Hydrogen, which ha a small atomic weight and is the lightest of all known gases, not only diffuses more rapidly than any other gas, but also has the faculty of penetrating through walls of such metals as platinum and palladium, which are impervious to other gases

Din 1869 pana la publicarea tabelului cu grupa zero cu corona si newton, in 1906, Mendeleev a cercetat continuu

When in 1869 I first showed the periodic dependence of the properties of the elements upon their atomic weights, no element incapable of forming definite compounds was known, nor was the existence of such an element even suspected.

Legea periodicitatii, extrapolarea , predictia unor elemente

Therefore the periodic system was arranged by me in groups, series, and periods, starting with group I and series I, with hydrogen as the lightest and least dense of all the elements. It never occurred to me that hydrogen might be the starting point of a system of elements. Guided by this system, I was able to predict both the existence of several unknown elements and also their physical and chemical properties in a free and combined state. These elements, gallium, scandium, and germanium, were subsequently discovered by Lecoq de Boisbaudran, Nilson, and Winkler respectively. I made these predictions by following what is known in mathematics as a method of interpolation, that is, by finding intermediate points by means of two extreme points whose relative position is known. The fact of my predictions having proved true confirmed the periodic system of elements, which may now be considered as an absolute law. So long as the law remained unconfirmed, it was not possible to extrapolate (i.e., to determine points beyond the limits of the known) by its means, but now such a method may be followed, and I have ventured to do so in the following remarks on the ether, as an element lighter than hydrogen.
...the atomic weights, calculated from the observed densities, proved to be in perfect accordance with the periodic law.

Elementele  "x" si "y" -"newtonul "si "corona", in "grupa zero"

Here x and y stand for two unknown elements having atomic weights less than that of hydrogen, whose discovery I now look for.

But at the present time, when there can be no doubt that the hydrogen group is preceded by the zero group composed of elements of less atomic weights, it seems to me impossible to deny the existence of elements lighter than hydrogen.

Eterul ca mediu universal

Neither gravity nor any of the problems of energy can be rightly understood without a real conception of the ether as a universal medium transmitting energy at a distance. Moreover, a real conception of ether cannot be obtained without recognizing its chemical nature as an elementary substance, and in these days no elementary substance is conceivable which is not subject to the periodic law

Rezultate privind entitatea "newton":

We now have all the data necessary for calculating the velocity required by gaseous particles to escape from the sphere of attraction of a star 50 times greater than the sun...
...the particles and atoms of the lightest element x capable of moving freely everywhere throughout the universe have an atomic weight nearly one millionth that of hydrogen, and travel with a velocity of about 2,250 kilometers/second.


Experimente Curie citate de Mendeleev:

Two small flasks were connected together by a lateral tube fused into their necks, and having a stopcock in the middle. The cock being closed, a solution of the radioactive substance was poured into one of the flasks, while the gelatinous white precipitate of sulfide of zinc, shaken up in water, was placed in the other flask. Then both flasks were closed. So long as the cock between the flasks remained closed, nothing is visible in the dark; but directly as it is opened, the sulfide of zinc becomes brilliantly fluorescent and continues so as long as the tube connecting the flasks remains open. This experiment gives the impression of an emissive flow of something material from the radioactive substance, and, in a sense, seems comprehensible if we assume that a peculiar refined ether gas, capable of exciting luminous vibrations, enters and passes off from the radioactive substance.

Experimentul lui Dewar citat de Mendeleev:

Dewar, about 1894, in his researches on the phenomena proceeding at low temperatures, observed that the phosphorescence of many substances, and especially of paraffin, becomes more intense at the temperature of liquid air (between -181° and -193°). Now, it appears to me that this is due to the fact that paraffin and such like substances have a great capacity for condensing the atoms of ether at very low temperatures. In other words, that the solubility (absorption) of the ether atoms in some bodies increases in extreme cold

Nevoia de cautari continue

And even if it be found impossible to recognize in the ether the properties of the lightest, most mobile, and chemically inactive gas, still, if we keep to the realm of science, we cannot deny its substantiality, and this requires a search for its chemical nature. My effort is no more than a tentative answer to this primary question, and its one objective is to bring this question to the fore.[/i]

Gorbatcevitch, Universul si eterul

http://www.ethertheory.org/en/gorbatsevich_universum_en.pdf

Pag 21, proprietati ale eterului

The following model of ether meets to the utmost all enumerated and known properties,
the concepts of I. Newton, MacCullagh, J. Maxwell and W. Thomson.
1. Ether called further as ethereal medium, consists of alternate corpuscles of two,
opposite in sign, kinds. The alternate corpuscles, opposite in sign, are attracted to each other, forming a homogeneous space, in which, in a non-perturbed state, each of the alternate corpuscles adjoin an alternate corpuscle, opposite in sign. Opposite in sign corpuscles are attracted to each other with great force.
2. Particles opposite in sign composing the ethereal medium move relative to each other completely without friction. The ethereal medium consisting of these particles is a medium of a special type. Linear, circular and other kinds of a motion, shear strains etc. can exist in it indefinitely long. This medium has no density in the ordinary sense. It has definite electromagnetic properties.
3. Any physical substance (matter, molecules, atoms), possessing a mass (density), is permeable to the ethereal medium. Any physical substance can move without friction in the ethereal medium.
4. The inertial forces originate when any physical substance interacts with the ethereal medium only at acceleration or deceleration of motion. A uniform motion of a local physical body deforms the ethereal medium, changing the distance between the oppositely charged, conjunct with great force particles of the ethereal medium, which close up again after the body has transmitted.
5. An acceleration of a local physical body creates inertial perturbations in the ethereal medium. The greater is acceleration of the body, the greater are the perturbations. The greater are the mass and acceleration of a physical body, the greater are the perturbations it induces.

Pagina 27
Mathematical model of quasielastic ether


Pagina 68 anti relativism
Accordingly, the recognition of the ether medium presence breaks the principles on which the general and special theories of relativity are based.

Pagina 56: eterul, sarcina/ masa, dinamica cu viteze, etc

The energy of the field surrounding a charged sphere was demonstrated to be greater when the sphere moves than when it is at rest, since along with the electric field around the sphere, a magnetic field arises as well. Accordingly, the work that should be done to bring the sphere to a given velocity is greater when the sphere is charged than when it is uncharged. The effective mass of the sphere increases due to the charge presence. According to the authors, the reason for this is self-induction of the convection current that is generated when the charge starts moving. Thus, the well-known works also corroborate inefficiency of Galileo principle for charged bodies.
The inapplicability of Galileo principle for moving charged bodies and those at rest offers an explanation to the fact that A. Einstein did not find a place for the ether in STR. The recognition of the ether medium presence immediately breaks the equivalence principle for independent inertial systems that provides a basis for STR.

Traducerea aproximativa cu Google, a textului de mai sus;

"Energia câmpului înconjoară o sferă încărcată a fost demonstrat a fi mai mare atunci când sfera se mișcă decât atunci când este în repaus, deoarece împreună cu câmpul electric în jurul sferei, un câmp magnetic apare, de asemenea. Prin urmare, activitatea pe care ar trebui să fie făcut pentru a aduce sfera într-o anumită viteză este mai mare atunci când sfera este încărcat decât atunci când este neîncărcată. Masa efectivă a sferei crește ca urmare a prezenței de încărcare. Potrivit autorilor, motivul pentru aceasta este auto-inducerea curentului de convecție care este generat atunci când încărcarea începe să se miște. Astfel, bine-cunoscute lucrări confirma, de asemenea, ineficiența de principiu Galileo pentru corpurile încărcate.
Inaplicabilitatea de principiu Galileo pentru deplasarea organismelor însărcinate și cele de repaus, oferă o explicație la faptul că A. Einstein nu a găsit un loc de eterul din STR. Recunoașterea prezenței mediu eter sparge imediat principiul echivalenței pentru sisteme inerțiale independent care oferă o bază pentru STR .."

Este foarte interesanta observatia ca o sfera incarcata electric aflata in miscare contine mai multa energie decat aceiasi sfera incarcata care sta pe loc. Motivul consta in aparitia unui camp magnetic care se suprapune peste campul electric.
Dupa cum se stie din alte experimente fizice legate de spinul electronului, se stie ca un electron aflat in miscare, isi orienteaza spinul antiparalel cu directia de miscare. ori acest lucru se aplica si in cazul sferei incarcate electric lipsita de camp magnetic cand sta pe loc, va prezenta un camp magnetic atunci cand se afla in miscare, tocmai datorita orientarii spinilor electronici pe directia miscarii, fapt ce face simtita aparitia unui camp magnetic.
Dupa cum se stie insa, nu exista repaus absolut, sfera incarcata se misca odata cu pamantul cu 30km/s, impreuna cu laboratorul si observatorul din el, si totusi nu se observa camp magnetic in acest caz. insa la o miscare relativa a sferei fata de observator si aparatele lui, se manifesta campul magnetic. Deci campul magnetic exista in permanenta deoarece si sfera este in permanenta miscare, insa observatorul depisteaza doar variatia de camp data de miscarea relativa intre sfera si observator.

Dl Virgil! Iti multumesc pentru efortul de a posta traducerea materialului postat de Eugen. Poate n-ai sa crezi, dar si eu am avut aceeasi idee de a traduce articolul cu ajutorul lui Google. Dar eu am aplicatia de traducere numai la mesajele de pe e-mail. Asa ca a trebuit sa-l pun intr-o scrisoare si sa mi-o trimit mie. Materialul este interesant fiindca imi aminteste niste lucruri pe care le uitasem.

Adrian Gheorghe a scris:Dl Virgil! Iti multumesc pentru efortul de a posta traducerea materialului postat de Eugen. Poate n-ai sa crezi, dar si eu am avut aceeasi idee de a traduce articolul cu ajutorul lui Google. Dar eu am aplicatia de traducere numai la mesajele de pe e-mail. Asa ca a trebuit sa-l pun intr-o scrisoare si sa mi-o trimit mie. Materialul este interesant fiindca imi aminteste niste lucruri pe care le uitasem.

Daca faci copy pe textul de tradus si deschizi o pagina google, deschizi google traducere, bagi textul acolo cu paste, alegi limba textului si limba romana, obtii traducerea textului, aproximativa. La fel poti traduce articole intregi, aplicand doar adresa (like] paginii web. Totul cu google traducere.

Felicitări pentru preocupările de istoria fizicii!

Oldenburg, moderatorul lui Newton?

"Care mana a sustras ...reflexiile lui Newton...?"

http://www.dioi.org/kn/newton-gravity.htm

The editors of Huygens' Oeuvres ruled out the possibility that Oldenburg had himself decided not to send the text, which constitutes the latter half of the opening paragraph of the letter, on the grounds that he only omitted odd phrases and some concluding remarks, as omissions which would have had Huygens' blessing. They concluded that some instruction must have been given to the Royal Society's secretary, of which no trace survives: ‘Quelle est la main qui a soustrait aux yeux de Huygens les reflexions de Newton sur la force centrifuge...?'56 What Oldenburg had written to Huygens a propos of this copied letter, was merely: ‘I find myself obliged to give you a copy of it, which I shall do in English as I received it,' which hardly sounds as if he had decided to omit the bulk of the first paragraph.57

Ai aici un articol in care este explicat rezultatul lui Miller. Pe scurt, daca treci datele lui printr-o procedura standard de analiza a erorilor, obtii un rezultat nul pentru pentru viteza prin eter a Pamantului, cu o limita superioara de 6 km/s, nivelul de incredere al rezultatului fiind de 90%. Asta este in acord cu toate celelalte masuratori efectuate inainte.

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Dyton Miller:analiza anvelopei semnalelor


Autorul de mai sus teoretizeaza fara a arata rezultatele unei masuratori moderne.
Daca ar fi facut el insusi masuratori de eter-drift, poate il mai credeam.
Mi se pare incoerent in argumentari.
De pilda afirma ca Miller masura de fapt zgomotul, care mima chipurile semnalul:

and they caused the noise in the apparatus to perfectly mimic the signature of a real signal. 

Next a re-analysis of his data is given, in which a direct quantitative model of his systematic drift is shown to account for 100% of the usable data, leaving no real signal.

Pozele arata ca din masuratorile lui Milller, armonicile deduse nu pot fi extrase dintr-o anvelopa de semnal de zgomot, asa cum sustine autorul citat de tine.

Masuratori repetate facute de Miller, ducand la aceleasi rezultate, nu puteau fi deduse din anvelopele semnalelor de zgomot.

Am facut eu insumi experimente si masuratori pe frecvente inalte.
Anvelopa semnalului de zgomot se comporta total diferit fata de o anvelopa cu armonice.
Miller era expert in frecvente, mi-e greu sa cred ca nu stia ce face si era -chipurile- prizonierul nestiintei sale, cum afirma mandru, autorul tau citat.
Nu cred ca un computer face diferenta, in acest caz,  intre corect/ incorect cum sustine autorul citat.
Viteza luminii a fost masurata corect cu sute de ani in urma, fara computer!

Nu chiar "corect". Masuratoarea lui Rommer a avut o eroare de vreo 26%. Abia in anii '50 s-a reusit o masuratoare foarte precisa a valorii reale.

In orice caz, ai un articol in care se face o analiza foarte exacta a acelor date obtinute de Miller. Eu nu sunt expert pe problema, dar daca ai o obiectie foarte serioasa si obiectiva la metoda folosita, te invit sa o scrii.